So for this example they are a great display of how this technology works and why it is so effective. If you play on the local muni or other "Value" public courses with slow greens it takes a lot of effort to hit lag putts outside of 50'. If the hardness of the face varied outward from the center, or sweet spot, then contact in an area where the face was substantially softer would result in less energy transfer, but the difference in hardness would have to be quite noticeable. Free shipping for many products! Were talking about products driven by performance. Also, how much does the force of the stroke affect the amount of correction? At least mentioning what speed the greens were for the tests would have been useful. Because the forces involved in putting are so low, and the ball is rolling, not flying through the air, the location of the center of mass of the head of the putter has virtually no effect on the path of the ball. A bit of hyping in the article, and more than many are accustomed to seeing out of MGS. I have never read testing or seen comparising made with Bobby Grace putters on your website. In the store I was testing an Odyssey and a Scotty, 200 vs 400 in price. Liked the grooves a lot but it was just too light. $329I dont think so. Refinement necessitates a clear acknowledgement of products that define a brand. Oh yeah, and spend more time practicing your putting. The brushed finish and the subtle aiming dots look great. Conversely, for Evnroll, its an either-or proposition. Theyre behind on this for sure. When striking a ball, that is going to counteract the normal straight line deviation of an off-center misshit. That means you will need to adjust your stroke to account for that. In 2017, we traced Rifes story from his roots as an ad agency art director to one of the most highly regarded creative thinkers and putter designers in the game. This is my favorite golf site and Tony is my favorite author on here. The dots also assist the golfer on aligning breaking putts. And its amazing that no one has thought of it before. I game a Wilson Staff The L putter. #dontknockituntilyoutryit (Unless it includes ice cream and Dr. Pepper. Not exactly compelling data. A buzz kill, probablya realist for sure. text from article. Lefties are not a big part of the market. http://instagram.com/evnroll. Head to head! mid. I am a mallet style person but cant seem to get the ER2 out of my bag! And to be honest, the Karsten TR 1955 putters feel better to me than the Vault version. Tried one. Dont be cheap if it brings you pleasure or better golf scores. What if we told you that we saw itmake balls actually curve back towards the hole when mishit. Amongst pricing benefits, with several machine shops and a handful of CAD (computer-aided design) engineers, the Cameron empire can create prototypes and experimental designs and run several design cycles in parallel, all while maintaining a standard production schedule. Just like PXG and theyve been out of business for two years. I know the golf business is very tough, but this company could be the next failed Rife venture in 18-24 months. If the swing path and the face are not perpendicular the ball starts offline to the extent of their divergence. Im not asserting that Evnroll will overtake Cameron or even nibble off a sizeable portion of the latters market share. Scotty Cameron to me is just a hype and too commercial. Also, Ill never understand how only a test with only 10 participants is acceptable these days. Would probably have been best if they made sure their website was up BEFORE posting this article. Both putters have the Evnroll Gravity Grips which are amazing. We see the same thing in our test facility. George Low Wizard. Outstanding ball roll data on Quintic ? This is what we call disruptive technology. Notable is that the conventional steel-shafted putters performed slightly better at 10 feet. Did MGS change their testing results/procedures from previous putter tests. Sure, he could do it, but why? The SG score is a RELATIVE scoring system, so it will change every time based on the putters it is being compared too. When it comes to putters I listen..the Carbon that was tested has been in my bag since last fall and Ive done very well in tournament play where I live because of itand Im a custom putter guy..if the stats bear out with the ER2 then I will be even happier! Bought an ER6 a few months ago. This leads me to believe that they would be great putters for fast greens, but would take a lot of getting used to on slow greens. Odyssey DFX Seven 1 049 kr 1 499 kr. I have hit the Evnroll's many times. So Art, what would you like to come off like passively aggressive about next and have me answer? Fabulous putters. No future? Pardon me? Flj oss . You can post now and register later. Thank you for the heads up MGS..wow is all I can say. The critical mass on the outside of the face is greater than the critical mass on the inside. Evnroll putters werent available in time for our 2016 Most Wanted Putter test, so to evaluate the effectiveness of this new technology, we put fourEvnroll models up against the best performing putters from our recent 2016 putter test. Is Scotty Cameron in Trouble?! Mental placebo, actual tech whatever it may be, I love my ER2 and will never be changing. Anything to save half a stroke a round. It would be like asking Alice Cooper to sing some nursery rhymes. My only regret is that I havent murdered out my ER2..yet. The EVNROLL is not this nice at impact. So the gearing effect happens at impact, correct? wonder if anyone on tour is using it yet? Armlock putters arent anything new. I know at least one European tour player is using it. This is a new frontier in putter design, and potentially the most significant putter technology since the Anser, and TR Grooves. Thats it. It reminds me of a old Knight putter my uncle gave to me when I was 13. In touch with them already ? I am a small club maker/fitter and what I find in common with the Evnroll putter and a driver are the scorelines and the gear effect that is common with some of the drivers. People regularly spend more for putters that do less for them. The Bettinardi Kuchar 35 model has this sweetness as did the original black cameron Golo from 6 years ago. Cons If I were to tell you that with Evnroll technology, no matter where on the face you hit the ball, it ends up in the same spot. But again that is MY experience and I started playing in the mid 1970s when putter had thin heads and weighed nothing. The counter weights are installed by EVNROLL to dial in the swing weight. Nothing feels like.. Are we NOT trying to actually hole putts?? I know this isnt a Ping thread, but Im definitely disappointed. Like a high handicapper believing paying $4+ per ball will make him/her better. Pasted as rich text. I started making putts. The best putters ever made are, used putters why because they are only used once for half the price. Evnroll technology is the culmination ofGuerin Rifes long career, and the results suggest its nothing short of a masterpiece. In the store it felt great to use but their putting surface was not great as had a bad roll in the surface which was difficult to see. If this thing is that good cmon MGS guys and hook us up . NOW AVAILABLE: GolfWRX G/Fore Hats and Holderness & Bourne Polos! The ball comes off the face so well in comparison that it goes quite fast when I give it a bit bigger swing. But did you know that theres absolutely no evidence to suggest that a ball that starts rolling faster goes in the hole more often? Functionally, this means Evnroll isnt likely to dive head-first into the small-batch, limited-release market. Proven what not to be true? some like heavy, some dont, (I like lighter for long putts but heavier for better stability on short putts). I use p770 irons & g400 driver because of this website. I tried some of their models but just couldnt control the amount of rolls I wanted. I loved the sound, the feel, and the performance. Traffic from this test is the reason why it isnt right now. Or cater to Tour pros with one-off, bespoke design services. He addressed the shaft-lean/face-loft fitting conundrum by developing a proprietary grip that pushed right up against the boundaries of geometries accepted by the ruling bodies. Have you actually used one of these putters? Tonico: the founder is the same guy who started RIFE putters, which we represent. Basically, the details that matter to Rife as a designer also matter to the end user. Nothing more, nothing less. Sweet Face Technology utilizes closely spaced, precisely milled grooves to gear the ball back to center for accuracy and consistency on impacts across the face. I wish he had a center shafted half blade/mallet in line with something like the Rife Uno. Rife has made center shafted putters before, so Im a little surprised they didnt initially release one. Been in the bag for 5 years., and nothing has come close to making me what to bench it the Scotty X5 can get off the bench. As long as the face is square to the swing path at contact the ball will come off the face on a path that is perpendicular to the face. Wow, Looks like Im going to be doing some research on these. Was thinkjng about bringing guerin putters to the area. Shortly after Evnrolls launch, other manufacturers started mimicking Rifes patented groove approach. Why has the RX1 a better result in this test compared to the blade vs. mallet test when looking at SG18 ? This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Or if they are coming to any? I would have to believe that number is reduced below 5% or less if you have 100 plus users. #PowerToThePlayer. There is a bit of a cautionary tale when it comes to Rife. Copyright 2023. Patented. I then got the chance to use it for the first time yesterday in a round. When you say the ball curves back toward the target you really damage your credibility. Im guessing a lot of pros arent using this yet because they have more consistent putting strokes than us amateurs and care a lot more about feel. I spent about 45 minutes at PGASS today and really liked the ER2. Results matter. Blah, blah, blah bottom line, gotta make money, blah, blah. Its difficult, yes, because it requires a precise motion which is not easy to consistently achieve, to make contact a ball which has a variable surface (the dimples), across an uneven, living surface (the green) which has slope, grain, and inconsistent surface characteristics due to moisture content, in an outdoor environment with factors such as wind coming into play. (on eBay). Since their website is down and they are working hard on getting it back up, here is a link to their Instagram site so you can start getting some ideas of the product and their technology. Would you be intrigued? Already made my $359 back and more! Product Information. How was this observed? Case in point: Evnroll Midlock. Evnroll ER2 vs. Stroke lab Double Wide? I had an ER2 the year they were released. If you think it through, the phenomenon makes sense. I can tell you that this putter flat out performs. That means providing you with equipment reviews you can trust, If the ball is curving on its way to the hole then please explain the physics of why the ball is curving. what is Gearing how does it work? I bought an ER7 last year. Im sold and I doubt Ill ever move to another. Weight. Must be a weight lifter. I have the ER2 and the ER5- both are murdered out and my ER2 has a Tour Stability Shaft. Claims are just that, claims. IMO, you have just taken putter hype to new levels. I hope Evnroll comes up with designs that have variable head weights minimum 335 or even less head weight up to say 375 gram head weights. Your test results belie the notion that the Evnroll putters are capable of imparting hook/slice spin. Walter Im not from MGS, just a reader. Almost nobody disputes this. MyGolfSpy, Inc. All Rights Reserved. We believe the answer to Evnrolls surprisingly strong showing lies in its grooves. You can hang on to it for 10 years and it might be worth more than you paid for it. I put the ER2 in the bag three months ago and have made more putts (and missed fewer short ones) than in a long time. After today, there are 3 kinds of putters: Here is a basic overview of how these three types of putters (technology) work: As you can see from the graphic above, a putter that actually offers this type of technology could dramatically impact your ability to make more putts. Find a putter that looks good at address, is easy to align, and has the weight and feel you like. Someone needs to come up with a putter that somehow merges the technologies of the SIK & EVNROL faces (while getting around the patents somehow). The consistency of roll is uncanny; makes lag putts easy. I removed the grip to put the larger Evnroll grip on it and realized that there was a counter-balance weight in the end of shaft. Evnroll putters are simply too heavy 370gm heads. I was very intrigued as well. So robot good for a couple things, robot not so good for finding the overall performance of a product in real golfers hands. Ive been playing since the mid-1970s. - YouTube So the new club is ready to take on my trusty gamer. Evnroll ER2V or Scotty Cameron Squareback 2 - Putters - GolfWRX Home The Bag Room Putters Evnroll ER2V or Scotty Cameron Squareback 2 APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Was very good at distance control with both 4 Quote G410 LST 9* Tour AD DI 6X 360-370 grams take all touch and feel out of putting. The top putter completed its track in approximately 9% fewer putts than the last place finisher. And I think most resort courses will tell you that they keep the greens slower because the average golfer cannot putt well on fast surfaces and rounds are much slower because of more 4 putts, or more versus the slower speeds. And the ball goes in the hole. The Er2 was something special in my hands. I would think it would be damaging to tell you something other than what happened. Golf equipment is an industry where legend often outweighs reality, but our testing constantly reminds us that marketing and mythology, no matter how strong, are NOT performance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBmo2nemU0&spfreload=10 Point is, a tightly grooved face does impart truer roll, believe it or not, Ive seen it for myself and has made me a believer and a better putter. Debate the technology if you want these putters flat out perform as advertised. They can argue semantics all they want, but there are simple robot test results showing the effectiveness of this design like you have shown. It is designed with varying depth grooves to promote the same distance putt across the face. Companies make a product, then price it double what similar products cost while saying its special. They should offer as optional a copper alloy / Terrillium insert with the parabolic groove technology ..also , Id like to see a more modern ER2 look like Piretti Matera Elite Odyssey DFX One 1 499 kr. Golfer are a weird bunch people Ive had five putters in the last 37 years. So the green speed can dramatically change the tests and comparisons. Odyssey Stroke Lab Putters - 0.096. Some putter grooves have been shown to produce forward roll more quickly than others. Its not only the individual putter but the visual message it presents stacked alongside 15 or 20 putters of the same brand. In the end the only thing that really matters is squaring up the face while having the proper aim point and speed. Here it is: Putt your ball off the toe to control the speed., http://thegolfnewsnet.com/bradpowers/2016/04/09/golf-tips-putt-toe-control-pace-fast-greens-17872/. + C $57.64 shipping. I am very happy with it and don't feel like I have to hit it harder. If people would take the time to go to the website and understand that the two dots on the top of the head are intended to help guide you on left and right breakers. The feel is great, just wish they could get the sound right. And the tech works. This graphic isnt just a fancy piece of marketing. Feel and sound were exactly what I like and hoped they would be. Did you change your mind yet? Spin a bowling ball and it curves. It rolls straight and stays on line. I guess it worked given the server crash and some posts here about buying. If people are so skeptical of everything, then might as well not read anything. The amount of face technology in his putters is unmatched and consistency of distance unbeatable. The (alleged) benefit of Evnrolls face groove technology is that it corrects mis-hits. Legal proceedings aside, Evnrolls sales continued to climb. The reality is, most putter grooves dont matter. Its quite an expensive putter so was not keen to purchase online without having used it. I will say this. funny, that the biggest advantage is on short puts exact the opposite of what is to expect, if the ball is rolling the same distance in the same line, on off-center hits I dont find that. I bought the ER2 on eBay for $279am waiting for delivery..I have complete trust in the testers on this site as Ive not been steered in the wrong direction yet. It takes aerodynamically produced forces to make a golf ball curve. Has anyone tried the Pyramid Putter? money, time and performance. Evnroll ER1TS 4 799 kr. The Evnroll ER2 required 9 fewer putts to complete holes at the 10 distance. Have a great weekend. A putter has to feel good and inspire confidence. #PowerofTheClick, Yeah, that would be sweet! I have been interested in trying out the CR5CS with the Gravity Grip but I never see anyone having one in stock. Where and when will these be available in the UK? Only a matter of time before everyone starts doing it. What exactly that means remains to be seen. I have owned my Evnroll Er6 for a couple months now and I can tell you that it is the best putter I have used. email them, i bought a lefty from them last monthlove it. Which is the type of putter I play. Overall after just one use I am convinced the evnroll is AMAZING. I sold it like an idiot and went to place it with this years ER2 Doesnt have the same feel, no matter what ball I roll. You might want to look at your frugality issues. Previous big improvement for me was with the Ketsch. I hit enough putts that my friends frequently ask to try it. One thing that I dont see is the test at 30. We damage our credibility by telling you what we observed in our testing? Im with you guys on the rest of robot testing though, I think it to be fairly useless with ballstriking just due to angle of attack, lofts, lies, spin, etc. Being a weekend hacker with my old putter at least a few times a round I would get this wrong enough that I would leave it too far away and miss the next put at least once. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! So what makes the grooves on anEvnroll Putter any different? 5 puts less than my previous round just 3 days earlier on the same course and the rounds were within one shot of each other.